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Post by painkiller on Feb 28, 2008 0:51:04 GMT -5
I'm having a bit of trouble nailing down outside picking. I can do it at slow to moderate speeds but there is a definite barrier beyond which my pick bumps or brushes the string as I am moving over it and creates some string noise which results in a very unclean sound. Do you guys have any pointers? When I analyze the motion, the pick, and therefore your hand, must travel ever so slightly upwards so as to clear the string when moving from outside to outside. Then it descends just enough for the pick to make contact and pluck the string as it travels back along its path again. This is all fine, but doing it at really high speeds is quite difficult. When moving fast, the pick may dig in too far, or you may hit the string as you move over it as I often do. I have come to realize that this type of string transitioning is a large component of shreding, and a skill that absolutely must be mastered. A good video example of the technique I am talking about in case anyone is unclear or doesn't know what outside picking is, can be found here by the amazing Paul Gilbert: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROp-VWP4Oyo
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schweinhund
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Post by schweinhund on Mar 1, 2008 11:49:57 GMT -5
I just don't do it.. Use my fingers to pluck the other string and bam iz all good and clean.
The problem is however.. When you increase the speed you're hand tries to minimalize the distance it has to travel thus not going high enough to skip the string completely and brushes against it.. the result is an unclean sound..
Just keep practicing.. it will come with time
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Post by mattjem7vwh on Mar 7, 2008 2:49:21 GMT -5
I believe John petrucci has a good exercise for this in his rock discipline video. Inside picking, (i always say practice the opposite of whats causing the problems.) You can watch all 12 parts here.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-QD0kZqA8Whilst it is a good technique to get down i wouldn't worry about it all that much... most players will develop a similar technique that feels right for them over a long period of time.... Paul gilbert for example changed his whole picking technique after playing the same way for his first 8 years! Most likely you'll adapt your playing and not even realize it. Outside of the string picking is not something i would practice a lot of, as its not the most efficient way of playing... and who wants to learn to play slower!
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steve0
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Post by steve0 on Mar 28, 2008 19:02:32 GMT -5
It's not the most efficient way of picking, but you've gotta learn it, and you've gotta do it every bit as well as inside picking. Some people can't do inside picking well, some people can't do outside picking well.
I'm the latter.
But lets say you want to do a 4 string scalar run upwards starting on the 6th string. The only way to avoid outside picking right away is to start with an upstroke.
And if you start on an upstroke, by the time you get to the 3rd and 4th strings, you'll hit outside picking again.
It's really something you'll have to practice slowly. You need the pick to make it JUST high enough when you switch strings so that you don't hit any unintended notes, but it has to be close enough that you don't waste any motion, thus slowing you down.
I recommend learning the intro to 17th Century Chicken' Picking by Chris Impellitteri, it's got inside picking, outside picking, string skipping, and a little bit of a sweep all jammed into a few bars of music, and it's a damn good picking excercise.
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