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Post by logansc on Jul 21, 2007 20:24:43 GMT -5
I am pretty much an absolute tone snob. You can play really good but still sound terrible. So I want to get some ideas on how to spread my tone capabilities by listening to what you prefer.
Here's my main rig:
Peavey XXX: not the best amp, but I swapped out tubes with kt77's and ecc83's. Now the thing can sing, crunch, and scoop!
Effects: Boss digi-delay dd3, boss chorus ensemble, crybaby 535q, ernie ball volume jr, and on solid state amps I sometimes use a multi-pedal and a metal master pedal
Amp levels
Clean: High-6 mid-4-5 low-5
Crunch: high-5 mid-3 low-4-5
Ultra: high-6 mid-2 low-6
yep, now it's ur turn.
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Post by pcsmall on Jul 21, 2007 21:22:19 GMT -5
well at the moment i only have a PODxt...no amp. i did have a sweet Vox Valvetronix 15w a la freddy, but sold it to get some stuff. i want one again now. here's the settings i'm addicted to on my POD so you can try them if you have one...
Distortion channel: L6 Modern High Gain w/ 2001 Treadplate Drive- 10 bass - 6 mid - 5 treb - 8 pres - 9
(gate: -69db, 24%), (eq: 1.2/240,-6.0/310,-1.8/3.2k, 3.0/3.7k), (mod: u-vibe, 37%/41%) add delay and reverb as suits you.
this is the ONLY setting i use in my PODxt for distortion...it's the only amp model on the thing that sounds good for metal.
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Post by logansc on Jul 21, 2007 22:38:20 GMT -5
I guess I should also mention that my main metal guitars are an Ibanez s520ex for c tuning, and for standard and drop d, a little experiment that started with a cheap peavey raptor that I liked the feel of, that got seymour duncan hot rails, and a sh4jb, as well as a dimarzio fast track. I then gave it a new blue pearl pickguard and added artwork all over the head, and painted various parts ( I realize this is only to show off nothing to do with tone). I do have a toneport ux2, but I don't like the treadplate. I mostly mic my amp now, but I used to use the insane through the 2001 412 with some eq and gate and about the same settings as yours with mid at about 3. I would also put the tubescreamer thing over it, and changed the mic simulator. I gotta admit that all I use that thing for now is putting down ideas.
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Post by entz on Jul 22, 2007 5:51:19 GMT -5
I allways start with the basic stuff. The way I set up the whole rig depends what kind of music I play. But I'm gonna talk what I do when I'm using one set-up and settings wich would suit for all the different styles.... the setup wich is versatile.
First the strings. I find the 11's gauge to be the best for standard E tuning. Lighter strings sound thinner... bigger strings sound fat wich I love but the harmonics don't have that "screaming" sound wich the lighter ones have. Big strings sound kinda of dull for a lot of things. So with 11's you get the best of both worlds.... great harmonics and thick tone.
The pickups should have mid-output or they should be the weakest of the high output ones. I don't like when they are too hot... to much buzz and don't have much dynamics and warmth. I love low output vintage pickups but they don't drive hi-gain stuff very well and can feedback too much. Hot rodded vintage pickups I like the most. They have the characteristics of good old vintage tones but have more output and drive. I perfer the PAF types because they sound very fat, thick and warm. I don't want very bright pickups... I like more darker sounding ones wich still have a good hi-end bite.
The very important thing is action. I have a very high action. When the strings are higher then the sound is much more clearer and thicker. I also have the pickups far away from the strings... so the combination of high action and big string-pickup distance gives me very clear sounding tone. The harmonics are insane and the sustain is amazing... it's kinda like "liquid sustain"... if you play single notes they don't sound very distroted... they sound like clean and overdriven sound at the same time. So your leads will sound incredibly thick. Also there's tons of dynamics too.
When it comes to amp I try to get a very fat tone but also it should have good overtones and harmonics. Not a lot of highs. Good amount of midrange.... and I like the mids to be more low frequency mids. Very little presence. The bass I setup after the bass player... but my tone is usually more bassy than bright. I use plenty of gain... not hyper death metal gain but so much that the palm muting sounds punchy. If I play the chords I don't want the sound to be ultra tight... I want it to be crunchy but clear and whitout buzz. The single notes have to sound thick and should have a lot of bite, attack and sustain.
So now that I have tweaked the amp and while the guitar's volume know is turned to 10 I have this really massive heavy rock/metal tone. But now I start messing with the volume knob... I may turn it down a bit if I want more classic crunch tone... or turn it down a lot to get more bluesy overdrive. If I turn it very down the sound is clean. This is the way the amp has to be... with the guitar's volume knob I have to get a heavy tone... a crunch... a mild overdrive and a good clean tone.
I also siwtch the pickups a lot. For a very smooth tone... I turn down the volume a little bit... turn the tone knob to 5 or less and use the neck pickup. If I turn the volume to about 5 then it's awsomly fat and excellent for playing with fingers. Messing with the knobs that way I can get all the different jazz, fusion, latin and blues tones. But when it's time to rip I trun the volume and tone knob to 10. For more Eddie Van Halen type of solos I use a bridge pickup but If I want more smoothness I use the neck pickup.
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Post by pcsmall on Jul 22, 2007 10:23:43 GMT -5
and that ladies and gents was an exerpt from endrik's new book, "how to be like me: because I kick ass"
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Post by Stefvorcide on Jul 22, 2007 17:35:05 GMT -5
Peavey JSX
for Rythm i use the ultra... Bass near 7, mids cut down to 1.75, treble somewhere between 6-7. overdrive is around 7
for lead, the ultra sounds better than the crunch, but since 95% of a song is riffage... im using the cruch, bass at 6, mids at 5, high at 5, overdrive around 6 cause....i use a customized pedal for lead boost (thanx to Arisen \m/)
no FX or anything, just plannin' on gettin' a noize gate, a Full-parametric EQ and a powerconditionner soon. maybe something for delay...
guitar: 12-56 strings, D-tunning. Soon to be added : bareknuckle warpig bridge pickup, but now theres an emg 81...
btw locansc, nice new avatar pic ;p
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schweinhund
IG Old Sk00l Badass
She's a maniac on the floor
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Post by schweinhund on Jul 22, 2007 18:31:31 GMT -5
Bass 4 Mid 5,5 Treb 11 Pres 10 My Boss Megadisortion pedal: Bass 0 Treble 10 Gain 10 Insane 10 HELL YEAH! It's so aggressive I can cut through cheese with the tone. My drummer hates it though
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Post by Stefvorcide on Jul 22, 2007 18:47:13 GMT -5
Bass 4 Mid 5,5 Treb 11 Pres 10 My Boss Megadisortion pedal: Bass 0 Treble 10 Gain 10 Insane 10 HELL YEAH! It's so aggressive I can cut through cheese with the tone. My drummer hates it though OUCH MY HEARING MAN :\ dude, add some bass up, remove some gain, and remove most of the treble/presence... your ears are used to too much tremble...it will sounds muddy for a while, but after your ear will be "back to normal"
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Post by jazziiiguy on Jul 22, 2007 19:17:24 GMT -5
Bass 4 Mid 5,5 Treb 11 Pres 10 My Boss Megadisortion pedal: Bass 0 Treble 10 Gain 10 Insane 10 HELL YEAH! It's so aggressive I can cut through cheese with the tone. My drummer hates it though This made me laugh for ten minutes straight. ;D \m/
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Post by pcsmall on Jul 22, 2007 20:27:21 GMT -5
Bass 4 Mid 5,5 Treb 11 Pres 10 My Boss Megadisortion pedal: Bass 0 Treble 10 Gain 10 Insane 10 HELL YEAH! It's so aggressive I can cut through cheese with the tone. My drummer hates it though ROFL
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schweinhund
IG Old Sk00l Badass
She's a maniac on the floor
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Post by schweinhund on Jul 23, 2007 14:13:47 GMT -5
I thought the whole thing about having a base player was for him to have all the bass. If I start adding bass to my tone the poor bassist will have nothing to doo and the poor thing will wither and die.
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Post by deathsguitarist on Jul 23, 2007 14:51:32 GMT -5
yes! crank the treble... I use alot of treble in my tone also. Ive found that when playing live with my other guitarist his tone cuts through everything....so I need to have alot of treble so my amp cuts through. But im always changing my tone a little here and there Randall RH200 G2 bass 4.5 mids 3-4 treble 8-9
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chuck
Still Wears Diapers
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Post by chuck on Jul 27, 2007 15:51:33 GMT -5
Experimenting a bit, so here we go: My Ibanez RGA121 into (in order) 1. BOSS CS3 Compression sustainer 2. BOSS NS2 Noise supressor, 3. PODxt 4. Randall G200 head (Bass0, Treb0 Mid 10) I have the eq on my amp set that way so it sounds "flat" that way I can allow the PODxt's eq to take over. on the podxt I use these settings Rhythm: Treadplate Dual, Bass 6, Mid 5, treb 6 Presence, 7/8 (No Verb, Dry) Lead: L6 modern high gain, Bass 6. Mid 7/8 treb6, presence 7/8 (touch of spring reverb, digital delay low in the mix at 223ms) PLanning on buying more and experimenting with a whole bunch o shit, wann get some Maxon, electroharmonix, also I got a good host of boss pedals to mess with, my dads old pedals from the 80s... www.myspace.com/cavermette <selfpromotion lol, but that's my tone...
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Post by jazziiiguy on Jul 27, 2007 17:15:50 GMT -5
Chuck, just wanted to say Cheeseburger X is frackin' DOS!
Actually, they all are, but that one's my fave.
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Post by pcsmall on Jul 27, 2007 18:12:20 GMT -5
Chuck, just wanted to say Cheeseburger X is frackin' DOS! Actually, they all are, but that one's my fave. uh...wrong thread there dude. *insert random David Spade sarcastic insult from tommy boy*
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