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Post by Tungus on Jan 10, 2009 20:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by SHRED FAN on Jan 10, 2009 23:46:37 GMT -5
I guess its a step forward...
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Post by patril0mic on Jan 10, 2009 23:46:44 GMT -5
meh
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Post by n3r3m4c on Jan 11, 2009 2:16:22 GMT -5
couldn't you just learn a song and buy a cd and get the same effect?
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Post by Tungus on Jan 11, 2009 2:27:51 GMT -5
couldn't you just learn a song and buy a cd and get the same effect? I agree with ya 100%. Thats the way I learned 1/2 of everything I know.....tabs is the other 1/2. Get ready for the shops to be flooded w/ 12 year olds hookin up to 1/2 stacks playing Back in Black terribly in the next year or so. This should be pretty entertaining. In saying that, I dont mean to discourage anyone from learning to play. I was that same 12 year old back in the day trying out every rack effect I could get my hands on.
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Post by Torkin on Jan 11, 2009 6:21:37 GMT -5
I think that guitar is getting sellout. Too many people learning to play it. You can no longer amaze anyone by the sheer fact that you play.
But honestly, guitar hero may be a fun party game (never touched it though), but some people who rape the game really need to grow up.
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Post by Tungus on Jan 11, 2009 11:34:15 GMT -5
I think that guitar is getting sellout. Too many people learning to play it. You can no longer amaze anyone by the sheer fact that you play. But honestly, guitar hero may be a fun party game (never touched it though), but some people who rape the game really need to grow up. Hahaha yea..... but some could say the same about us too.
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Post by patril0mic on Jan 11, 2009 13:24:06 GMT -5
I think that guitar is getting sellout. Too many people learning to play it. You can no longer amaze anyone by the sheer fact that you play. But honestly, guitar hero may be a fun party game (never touched it though), but some people who rape the game really need to grow up. yeah it was already sort of happening so you had to learn to sweep pick to show how set apart you are from guys that just strum I IV V all the time. now so many hardcore bands are using arps and stuff in their music (don't get me wrong, I like SOME of those bands that are coming out now) but still, a lot of it is sounding the same which was the problem with that style of music for so many years. the standard for everybody who plays guitar is starting to get so high that before long we'll all have to master 8 finger tapping to get any higher of a regard over people who just play chords. ...and then there are guys like Andy McKee...
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Post by Torkin on Jan 11, 2009 16:10:46 GMT -5
I think that guitar is getting sellout. Too many people learning to play it. You can no longer amaze anyone by the sheer fact that you play. But honestly, guitar hero may be a fun party game (never touched it though), but some people who rape the game really need to grow up. yeah it was already sort of happening so you had to learn to sweep pick to show how set apart you are from guys that just strum I IV V all the time. now so many hardcore bands are using arps and stuff in their music (don't get me wrong, I like SOME of those bands that are coming out now) but still, a lot of it is sounding the same which was the problem with that style of music for so many years. the standard for everybody who plays guitar is starting to get so high that before long we'll all have to master 8 finger tapping to get any higher of a regard over people who just play chords. ...and then there are guys like Andy McKee... That is why I am now putting less effort into practicing and more into writing music. You perhaps can't stand out from the crowd technically but your music will set you apart from everyone else
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Post by Tungus on Jan 11, 2009 21:12:05 GMT -5
I noticed that too. The important thing here is....... practice till the cows come home, embarrass your peers with skill then write.
Alot of it does sound the same now because the bar has been raised so high. That in turn pushes us harder to find more creative ways to do the same thing and sound better doing it.
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Post by patril0mic on Jan 11, 2009 23:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by n3r3m4c on Jan 12, 2009 1:25:57 GMT -5
I think you guys are a bit to worried about this shit. Technical ability only goes so far as the shit you write. I think most metal guitarists need to expand their influences outside of metal, maybe even (OMG) write some stuff that isn't necessarily metal! Play some blues, listen to funk, enjoy a little 70's prog rock, techno, hell, hip hop'll even do, just don't limit yourselves to metal. Musicians who only listen to the kind of music they play are the same as people who have kids with their sisters. Discourage inbreeding!
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Post by Tungus on Jan 12, 2009 11:09:08 GMT -5
No truer words have been spoken.
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Post by endless on Jan 12, 2009 17:28:01 GMT -5
Most people don't recognize how difficult some things are on guitar. Everyone's stuck on sweeps, for some reason. Public opinion is that it's the craziest, hardest thing possible on guitar. A 3 note sweep at 150bpm trumps alt picking 16ths at 180, apparently.
Some kid that goes to school with my brother is getting a lot of recognition, and has a serious ego problem, because he plays three note sweeps horribly. Crappy tone/phrasing, missed notes, sloppy as hell, no sense of rhythm. My brother plays a bit faster,and way cleaner, but he doesn't sweep much, so that automatically makes him a lesser, 'slower' guitarist.
I'm worried about a backlash like the early 90's. I'm seeing all these generic bands, using generic note sequences, purely for the flash value, and I'm thinking "No! Your ruining it!". It's like they don't see technique as a means to an end, but as an end in itself. Something like grunge is going to come along, and make good technique 'uncool', at the rate things are going. Many people in the guitar world are just going to say "screw it" and not care about technique as much, which is okay, but I'm worried that anything 'technical', no matter how well it serves the song, could be a hard sell. Some have abused their fancy tools. Will Steve Vai, or Mattias Eklundh become 'uncool' simply because they have a wicked set of tools?
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Post by thenotshredder on Jan 12, 2009 18:33:01 GMT -5
The solution is to keep working on your tools, while keeping them separate from your music, I think. The better your technique, the more easily and fluidly you'll be able to play anything that comes to your head.
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