loyct
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Post by loyct on Apr 6, 2007 23:11:56 GMT -5
Or anyone that has experience with this... Joel, do you copyright Dark Shift songs? Is the copyright applicable locally only? Or internationally? Do you copyright it to the band, or to the composer? Even with copyright, people can still take your songs and rip them off..and a lawsuit would be required. Why bother copyrighting then?
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Post by Tungus on Apr 6, 2007 23:35:48 GMT -5
Anything can be stolen.
Even if it is copyright...If its registered, lawyers can attack the thieving bitch.................but they have to be caught 1st.
Tungus says "if you can reproduce 1 of Joels solos at speed, holy fuck dude....you deserve to get away with it". (playing it yourself).
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Post by endless on Apr 6, 2007 23:51:38 GMT -5
Anything is technically copyrighted the second its on tangible media (written, recorded, etc)... the registration is just to help in a court case where you have to prove you did it first.
Sadly it doesn't seem to help much if you have good songs, but aren't famous. A Finnish 8-bit musician had half his album stolen and sold to Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado... no tempo, melody, rhythm, chord changes at all... just rerecorded with the latest technology(on youtube they have the songs super-imposed and you can't tell there are two songs).... and the public defends the celebrities instead of the writer who busted his ass and poured his soul into the tunes. "Sampling" my ass.
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loyct
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Post by loyct on Apr 7, 2007 0:55:04 GMT -5
I get your point endless. That is real sad. Copyright seems to have lost its meaning?
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Post by endless on Apr 7, 2007 1:39:36 GMT -5
Not really... its just that the way its written, big name lawyers can walk all over some portions of the law. There are victories for the smaller guys. I remember one case where a rapper sampled a Greek folk guitarist's licks for a backing track.... the guitarist now makes royalties on the song... he made $10 000 in the first year, I think.
An example of the way a lawyer could mess with the law, though, is MTV's news segment. By chopping a beat off of the intro bass riff to "peace sells" they were able to use it for free, even though its a signature part of the song.
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loyct
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Post by loyct on Apr 7, 2007 1:43:43 GMT -5
My. They dare mess with Mustaine's stuff. He should deem MTV false.
Well. Is there such a thing as international copyright? And also, does the self-post method work? In the eyes of court and law.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 7, 2007 7:59:15 GMT -5
Loyct, you can choice to write the name who composed the song, the names of every bands member, or the name of the band... If it's only one guy, and he leaves the band, the song is his.
Bah, If someone steal our bands riffs, first he have the choice of which one, and we'll go wherever it takes to kick is/their ass \m/
Anyway, metal is based on trust, only posers would STEAL riffs/songs/part.
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Post by Joel Wanasek on Apr 7, 2007 9:48:55 GMT -5
Well it only costs $30 to copywrite your stuff. Labels require you do it, well at least the ones I work with.
Legally, depending on the amount of money someone makes stealing a song, it can be well worth it to sue them into the ground. Vahnillia Ice ring any bells? lolol
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loyct
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Post by loyct on Apr 7, 2007 11:46:09 GMT -5
Ah. Guess i'd copyright them anyway.
Are copyrights international?
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Post by Joel Wanasek on Apr 7, 2007 14:24:40 GMT -5
Ah. Guess i'd copyright them anyway. Are copyrights international? i think. Ask a lawyer.
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Post by Freddy4513 on Apr 7, 2007 15:25:40 GMT -5
International copyrights I believe are one in the same...
the band "HIM" when first coming to america... where told to change their name to "HIM and Her" because some band in texas already had the band name "Him" copyrighted"
so I think it really depends on where youre going...
hence I could probably name my band "Decapitated" but if I sold things in poland the band name would change since that was already taken.
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Post by Ms Scary on Apr 8, 2007 9:27:51 GMT -5
A copyright is just a way of dating material. To formally copyright you have to do that in your country. Lots of loop-holes too. For one you have to be sure of what you are asking them to protect. The music, lyrics, etc... Most other countries recognize a copyright from another country, but legally it is to their discression. You don't file for copyright in multiple countries.
There are also ways to informally copyright material that will hold up in a court of law that are much cheaper. For one you can take a written copy of the music and words... etc of a song and send them to yourself certified mail. You don't have to use certified, but it has more dates on it and looks better in court. The trick is you label the back of the thing with something that you can remember it by and do not open it. Good idea to send a couple copies too.... but if need be in court the judge may open it and that gives them a date that can't be questioned.
First is first, so don't waste time.. just remember you are incharge of keeping up with it that way, so get a fireproof box.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 8, 2007 10:04:36 GMT -5
Btw, I was told Copyrights CAN'T be protected in Asia, as there's too many counterfeit stuff
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Post by jp4513 on Apr 17, 2007 0:42:59 GMT -5
here is a copyright problem......shit joel....you know that i clearly wrote, recorded, and mixed gaining ground.....you son of a bitch!!!! i want my money! hahahahaha
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