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Post by pcsmall on Dec 6, 2007 20:18:43 GMT -5
Okay so there's been something that's been confusing me for a few months now and i can't get my head wrapped around it. I've heard Yngwie speak of it, Synyster Gates of Avenged Sevenfold, and Mattias Eklund has it on his website and I can't figure it out for anything - WTF i a modal arpeggio.
I've tried using pieces of scrap paper to jot down scales and diagrams to figure it out on my own, i asked my buddy that's currently at musician's institute and he doesn't know, so now i'm asking you guys.
is it just a matter of adding extensions, or something different (like playing some sort of A minor arp over a G or something like that)?
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Post by schweinhund on Dec 7, 2007 13:39:49 GMT -5
Basicly.. just start from the root of the mode your in (for example Lydian (C - th3 3rd in A-major) from A-major) and play whatever notes in the scale you want. Basic arpeggios are made up of root, 3rd and 5th stacked on top of each other again and again octave higher but adding other notes (2nd's 7th's etc.) adds colour to the arpeggio.
So that would make the basic C-lydian arpeggio (the 3rd mode in A-major): c - e - g - c' - e' - g' and so on
But that arpeggio is just major! It's not lydian at all because the note that define the lydian mode (#4 / sharp 4th) is missing. In the case of C-lydian it is the F# (#4) that defines the scale so to get the lydian feel this note MUST be in the arpeggio. Now we can simply add it to the arpeggio (c-e-f#-g) or we could trhow out the 5th and replace it with our #4th (c-e-f#) for the three-tone-arpeggio form. Now we could also throw out any note we want and put as many as we want into the arpeggio, just do what you feel like ;D
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Post by pcsmall on Dec 7, 2007 22:02:17 GMT -5
so are saying that you actually assemble the arpeggios from the modal scale itself (ie - A Dorian being A B C D E F# G, then you'd go A-C-E for the arp), or what then? and other than that I take from what you said that it is basically a matter of adding the characteristic extensions and such in to the arp that give it the tonality of whatever mode you're using (Dorian - 2nd, Mixolydian - 5th, etc.) thanks for using your viking wisdom to guide me out of error
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Post by schweinhund on Dec 8, 2007 11:22:48 GMT -5
so are saying that you actually assemble the arpeggios from the modal scale itself (ie - A Dorian being A B C D E F# G, then you'd go A-C-E for the arp), or what then? and other than that I take from what you said that it is basically a matter of adding the characteristic extensions and such in to the arp that give it the tonality of whatever mode you're using (Dorian - 2nd, Mixolydian - 5th, etc.) thanks for using your viking wisdom to guide me out of error Yes the arpeggio is simply made from the modal scale just like you describe it. But for the arpeggio to be any different then major, minor, augmented or diminished (the basic tritonal (root, 3rd, 5th) form) you have to add the notes that define the scale and make's it different from the other ones. For example the only difference between Dorian and Minor is the [major] 6th. The 6th tone in dorian is a halftone (1 fret) higher than the 6th in minor. (In my country the big one is called major and the small minor). So with that knowledge you know that for your Dorian arpeggio to be anything different from the Minor arpeggio (that is the Minor from the same root, f.ex. A-dorian and A-minor) the Dorian arpeggio must have a major-6th (the bigger one), otherwise it would simply be mistaken for a regular Minor arpeggio. So now you'll have to spend some time over the 7 modes and figure out how they are different from each other, which ones are simular and shit like that. Once you have all that pinned on the back of your skull you can start playing jazz, substituting simular modes for each other, mixing them together and whatever you can think of.. Now go and sweep and may Odin be with yee!
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Post by pcsmall on Dec 9, 2007 12:53:50 GMT -5
okay so i was on the right track...thanks a lot schwein!
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