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Post by logansc on Aug 2, 2007 22:53:22 GMT -5
Here is the question, factoring in that said units would be of very good quality do you prefer to do effects like compression and reverb and eq, before recording or apply them after with protools or something. Because I know the more effects you run the higher the risk of popping and noise, but effects on your computer can't be absolutely as good or natural sounding as high end non-digital external effects. I know a lot of people only use like eq on the outside, and some people do it all after it's on the computer. So what are your guys thoughts. I even know some people that gate after it's on the computer, witch I don't really get. I don't like gating things like drums at all even, because you get this weird silence on drum breaks, I like a little ringing, just not nasty overtones.
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Post by logansc on Aug 3, 2007 18:49:50 GMT -5
where is joel? at least he actually seems to care about the recording part of the forum.
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Post by Tungus on Aug 4, 2007 10:32:24 GMT -5
where is joel? at least he actually seems to care about the recording part of the forum. Gotta remember, Joel is a pro musician and runs a fulltime recording studio. His time is better spent doing those things that make him a living. He pops in here when he has time and selflessly answers questions both here and on his other website emails. Be patient grasshopper... he will show up =)
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Post by logansc on Aug 4, 2007 13:13:39 GMT -5
uh huh, and what about the rest of you, do none of you guys record stuff in any sort of a half professional way?
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Post by pcsmall on Aug 4, 2007 18:45:23 GMT -5
i use a PODxt, Audacity, and whatever other free crap i can find that's halfway useful. now, whether or not some of it is intended to be free crap, that's another story
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Post by Tungus on Aug 4, 2007 19:46:05 GMT -5
uh huh, and what about the rest of you, do none of you guys record stuff in any sort of a half professional way? Theres a few that do. I myself dont. I let my Cakewalk Licence expire 2 years ago, and have been using Sony acid and Fruity loops (both suck). I do still have CW Pro Audio 9, but its kifed and moody (sometimes it saves, sometimes it goes retarded). Im saving up for SX3. In all seriousness......I havnt recorded much of anything since I recorded my arp and intro for Emp's n' my project. Ive been fuquin lazy. Someone should shoot me.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Aug 4, 2007 19:48:48 GMT -5
*grabs kev'n .45 *
I dunno man, i do some home recording with your standard pc soundcard, my shitty RP7, and Adobe audition (which is CoolEdit, in fact) i run no EQ or anything, just leave the tone as-is. fucking RAW.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Aug 4, 2007 20:00:54 GMT -5
but to answear your specific question...
if you use FX before... its gotta be PERFECT when you record, otherwise you just have to start it back... should sound better, but its harder to do
if its after, you can "undo" what you,ve done...
I'd do most of the EQ'ing before (i.e. cuttin' guitar mids, yeah joel will argue on this one;p) i would compress after, then put stuff like delay. and do a final slighty EQ. BUt thats my logic, i didnt had any audio engeneering training or anything.
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Post by logansc on Aug 4, 2007 22:01:51 GMT -5
yep, but what if you hate the sound of a lot of VST stuff. I think the compress and eq sounds okay after, but everything sounds much to unatural to me.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Aug 5, 2007 11:27:34 GMT -5
yeah, then do it first, but when you record everything gotta be perfect/ as you want
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Post by deathsguitarist on Aug 5, 2007 23:15:32 GMT -5
here's what I would do. and probably the best way. Always use effects after you record. Lay down guitars with no effects...just make sure you get a kick ass sound without effects.
This way you have more control over your guitar tracks.
You dont wanna record with reverb and after listening to it be like "oh shit, I used to much reverb" or "that sounds bad" Because once it is recorded you cant change it ever. If you add effects later, you can change all your effects. You may want to alter stuff after you have the whole mix together.
So basically, get a good tone and then use effects after you record.
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Post by Joel Wanasek on Aug 7, 2007 11:31:52 GMT -5
What can I say... been busy getting married. Got in laws in from Russia till friday. Lots of stuff to do still. lol
I do everything fx post tracking during mix because I like control. But I always record reamp guitar tracks so that if a guitarist has a certain effect that we can't get in cubase then we can just reamp it and get it. I'm not a huge fan of the typical 3 wide band eq knobs on a guitar amp. I prefer a good 4 + 2 parametric eq. I tend to eq the guitar sound as best I can on amp going in and then clean up what ever is left with multiband comp (on the lows) and paramentric in mix.
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Post by logansc on Aug 8, 2007 13:23:33 GMT -5
yeah, see that's the problem I hate all the effects in cubase and other stuff except stuff like eq and compression. You probably have something nicer than cubase le, but still.
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Post by Tungus on Aug 8, 2007 18:57:10 GMT -5
yeah, see that's the problem I hate all the effects in cubase and other stuff except stuff like eq and compression. You probably have something nicer than cubase le, but still. Like Cory said..... Ive allways recorded (not clean) but with minimal efx. Its real easy to start adding efx at 1st thinking it sounds cool. When ya start bouncing tracks and doubling....it tends to "pile up" and sound like ass. Keep in mind, each track you add adds another small layer of distortion/coloring....some color is good with digital equipment.... but try doing that on an old Fostex X26 and youll have garbage. =/ Im no producer/engineer. All Ive done was record my former bands and learned by trial and error.
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Post by Joel Wanasek on Aug 9, 2007 10:30:59 GMT -5
Actually I run cubase sx. In terms of delays, chours, ad fx like that, that is all I use. Like anything, if you know it inside and out, you can get some decent sounds. I do have waves ssl and 2 uad 1 cards. My external plugs consist of mostly comps and eq and not effects.
If you really dig your effects and sound, then just record everything wet. I always do this on lead guitars.
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