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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 19, 2008 9:55:26 GMT -5
After some succesfull rehearsals with the drummer Richard Schill (Shining, Vile Scar, Level Above Human) he performed songs like Church of Deviance, Swarm of Formless, parts from Noctambulant and new songs flawless. He is now confirmed as an permanent member of Spawn ov Possession. FUCK YAEH !!!!! Now, he only needs to change his name to Jonas and they're back in business \m/
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Post by thenotshredder on Apr 19, 2008 10:01:52 GMT -5
This is badass. I really want to get ahold of some SoP albums.
But what the fuck is up with "ov?" They're not Behemoth or black metal.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 19, 2008 16:07:55 GMT -5
I blackmetalize everything ;p
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Post by thenotshredder on Apr 19, 2008 16:19:13 GMT -5
Okay, just got Noctambulant.
My opinion: Great fucking stuff, but death metal in general, and SoP in particular, needs more tonal harmony. There's a lot more you can do with diatonic and close-to-diatonic shit than people realize (I'm taking some tonal theory classes right now, and shit like secondary dominants and weird modulations really belong in technical metal).
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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 19, 2008 17:17:40 GMT -5
DUDE !! THE WHOLE THING IS IN HARMONY !!!
It's baroque music, with overdrive, tremolo pick and blastbeats.
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Post by thenotshredder on Apr 20, 2008 11:40:52 GMT -5
No, man, it's not Baroque. It's basically free chromaticism with some random tonal harmonies thrown in there. It's great stuff, don't get me wrong, but it's absolutely not at all like Baroque music.
Edit: Oh, yeah, another thing I like is the amount of distortion they use. A lot of brutal-death bands use way too much, but SoP uses just the right amount, so you can hear (sort of) what the hell is going on.
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Post by Torkin on Apr 20, 2008 12:14:00 GMT -5
nah its more that others put their mids to -1
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Post by thenotshredder on Apr 20, 2008 12:18:24 GMT -5
Also, SoP is the biggest reason I want a 7-string (even though Psycroptic proves that you don't need low tunings or even two guitarists to be heavy and complex).
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Post by Stefvorcide on Apr 20, 2008 18:55:31 GMT -5
Also, SoP is the biggest reason I want a 7-string (even though Psycroptic proves that you don't need low tunings or even two guitarists to be heavy and complex). psycrotic's tone sounds a lil too "empty" I dunno... there should have more texture/grain in the overdrive here's the link for the baroque/classical influence, bryzz himself www.smnnews.com/board/showthread.php?s=ea5025bd59ada7b9b1136e09977263af&t=175110
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Post by thenotshredder on Apr 20, 2008 23:11:04 GMT -5
I've read that thread, Stef. And please don't take this the wrong way, but do you have any idea what I mean by "tonal harmony?" I'm not talking about the overall structure (which is what bryzz was talking about, as far as I can tell), I'm talking about the way the harmonies work. Free chromaticism is great, but old-school harmony has a lot more going for it and can be a lot more brutal and complex than people think.
Also, I am fucking jealous of people with true color/music synaesthesia.
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Post by Stefvorcide on May 11, 2008 8:22:08 GMT -5
I still prefer chromaticm in music than just plain harmonies.... for me, it jazz things up, and makes the music more interesting. But maybe the real real classical harmonies you're talking about aren't used/developed enought in metal. I am not too much into theory anymore, I just write music in a very contempory way.
Classical+Jazz in a metal format, that is intense hehe.
or maybe you could write up some examples? (tabs+audio, even if it's midi)
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Post by thenotshredder on May 11, 2008 9:58:46 GMT -5
Well, by that I mean no parallel fifths, the VII chord in minor goes to the III and the V can go to the i 6/4 (i in second inversion, i.e., the fifth on the bottom), etc. Inversions are important, and secondary dominants need to be made use of more. For example: if in A minor you play an A major chord, it will temporary tonicize the iv chord. So an A major, or, better yet, A7 chord in the key of a minor is called V (or V7) of iv.
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Post by Stefvorcide on May 11, 2008 20:25:49 GMT -5
can't you tab something out ?
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Post by thenotshredder on May 12, 2008 9:42:11 GMT -5
Can't you learn to read music?
This is my gripe with the tech-death crowd (no offense, understand: I'm not trying to imply you're bad musicians, just bear with me). Yeah, I understand that reading music isn't that important. But you have to know what the rules are in order to break them, instead of just playing that sounds "unique." Free chromaticism has been done already. Basic chord symbols aren't that hard to learn, and I explained it pretty well.
I know a guy that refuses to learn theory and tries to write music anyway. It ALL COMES OUT SOUNDING THE FUCKING SAME. EXACTLY THE SAME. And he won't listen to me when I say that he should try learning some technique and theory to help his writing. Now, he's not a tech-death guy. In fact, the heaviest and best bands that he likes are Opeth and Dark Tranquillity -- the rest is emo pussy shit like Porcupine Tree (heh, now he's going to find this and slay me).
Play this chord progression: Am E7 Am A7 (A dominant 7th, not Am7) Dm E7. The A7 is called V7 of iv because it's borrowed from the key of Dm, and Dm is the iv chord in Am. Make sense?
Theory is the same thing as good chops, just for your ears and brain.
Oh, and P.S. Regarding chromaticism? What I just talked about is chromaticism. There are rules for that shit too, rules that help make it sound better and smoother than "hey, let's play some notes lolz!"
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Post by Torkin on May 12, 2008 10:37:18 GMT -5
I know a guy that refuses to learn theory and tries to write music anyway. It ALL COMES OUT SOUNDING THE FUCKING SAME. EXACTLY THE SAME. And he won't listen to me when I say that he should try learning some technique and theory to help his writing. Now, he's not a tech-death guy. In fact, the heaviest and best bands that he likes are Opeth and Dark Tranquillity -- the rest is emo pussy shit like Porcupine Tree (heh, now he's going to find this and slay me). well looks like he is just that creative. I can get decent results without knowing the roman numbers. I like to experiment with different note combinations and hear the result. But hey I dont have anything against theory, I may as well learn it some day (when I feel bored enough)
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