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Post by Torkin on Jul 13, 2007 10:09:46 GMT -5
Okey guys, this thing has been growing on me. I have been using some ear training software that didn't make much of a difference for me. When i went on the internet it told me to go and pick up some melodies like Star wars or sum... I have been wrestling with them a while and actually picked up 10-15 notes from SW theme !! Yay in a totally different tonality So I've let go of it for a while, comforting myself with that I haven't been playing long enough to recgnise pitch and intervals, but now I am frustrated and a bit pissed off at myself for not being able to pick up a melody that I'd like to be able to play. Guys, I need your advice on ear training. What's the best way to get musical ears?
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Post by thenotshredder on Jul 13, 2007 16:53:45 GMT -5
Keep playing and don't use tabs. Learn stuff by ear. Just keep hammering at it, it's how I learned (and I can generally figure out melodies pretty damned fast).
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Post by Metal Dan on Jul 14, 2007 0:43:07 GMT -5
Girls love guys with great oral skills. What you do is spell the alphabet with your tongue and... oh shit... you said AURAL
Sing major scales. Sing along with the guitar. Once you get comfortable with that play a pitch and try and sing the next pitch BEFORE you play it on your guitar.
Its a slow burn. But worth it.
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Post by mattjem7vwh on Jul 14, 2007 2:55:14 GMT -5
first off, it helps to have a good understanding of where the notes fall on the fretboard... so learn all of the notes... (im sure you already know these?)
have a hunt around on the net.. theres plenty of backing tracks out there.... grab a few in a style that you wouldnt normally listen to.. i dunno say 1 blues and 1 country or jazz track...
then have a play around improvising over these tracks, using scales and notes you wouldnt normally select.... ie scales that sound foreign to you.. and that you dont feel comfortable with. try to imagine what the next note in your lick will sound like before you play it.... hum it, then see how close you were...
for me at least, the first stage of perfect pitch came from learning the standard tuning notes.. ie can you tune your guitar by ear.
grab a guitar and put it out of tune.... can you get it back in tune with out using other strings as reference points?
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Post by jazziiiguy on Jul 14, 2007 4:21:47 GMT -5
I strongly suggest that you pick up a copy of Troy Stetina's book "Fretboard Mastery." I know, learning from a book sounds both lame and sad, but hear me out. Ear training is arduous (to say the least) when you're working by yourself, but if you follow the examples in that book to the T, you'll find it much easier. With dedication and hard work, you'll pick it up at a rate that will surprise the hell out of you. It only cost about twenty dollars and some change, but you get MANY years' worth of quality, no B.S. lessons from it -- much more, for much less, than if you paid for weekly lessons. I can't even begin to tell you how much that book has helped me!
(If nothing else, at least go to a music store that carries this book and flip through it. You'll see what I mean.)
Also, it sounds to me like you're being a bit impatient. Which is good, to an extent. A good amount of impatience can push you to do better than the last time you tried, and speed up your progress. But too much of it, and you get frustrated not only with yourself, but with the guitar and any hopes and expectations you had. Ultimately you hinder yourself (maybe even stop progressing).
Just be patient, man. Ear training is hard fucking work! You can't rush it. It helps to remember that your ear will always be improving -- when you learn a new song, riff or solo, when you write something new, when you transpose to another key. You'll constantly be training your ear to recognize pitches and intervals within different keys, and it'll just start to become easier with time and practice, particularly if you follow the suggestions given here thus far.
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Post by Torkin on Jul 14, 2007 12:37:22 GMT -5
Thx for the help guys. That oral skill thingy made me smile lol . That book sounds appealing to me, jazziiiguy. Schweinhund, any idea where I could pick this book up here in Iceland? I can't be arsed to buy it off the net hehe
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Post by Metal Dan on Jul 14, 2007 13:50:09 GMT -5
I strongly suggest that you pick up a copy of Troy Stetina's book "Fretboard Mastery." I know, learning from a book sounds both lame and sad, but hear me out. Ear training is arduous (to say the least) when you're working by yourself, but if you follow the examples in that book to the T, you'll find it much easier. With dedication and hard work, you'll pick it up at a rate that will surprise the hell out of you. It only cost about twenty dollars and some change, but you get MANY years' worth of quality, no B.S. lessons from it -- much more, for much less, than if you paid for weekly lessons. I can't even begin to tell you how much that book has helped me! (If nothing else, at least go to a music store that carries this book and flip through it. You'll see what I mean.) Also, it sounds to me like you're being a bit impatient. Which is good, to an extent. A good amount of impatience can push you to do better than the last time you tried, and speed up your progress. But too much of it, and you get frustrated not only with yourself, but with the guitar and any hopes and expectations you had. Ultimately you hinder yourself (maybe even stop progressing). Just be patient, man. Ear training is hard fucking work! You can't rush it. It helps to remember that your ear will always be improving -- when you learn a new song, riff or solo, when you write something new, when you transpose to another key. You'll constantly be training your ear to recognize pitches and intervals within different keys, and it'll just start to become easier with time and practice, particularly if you follow the suggestions given here thus far. Why in the hell would learning from a book be lame or sad? I think it's a great idea! ESPECIALLY the Stetina series. I have all his books and strongly recommend Fretboard Mastery.
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Post by jazziiiguy on Jul 14, 2007 14:48:46 GMT -5
I strongly suggest that you pick up a copy of Troy Stetina's book "Fretboard Mastery." I know, learning from a book sounds both lame and sad, but hear me out. Ear training is arduous (to say the least) when you're working by yourself, but if you follow the examples in that book to the T, you'll find it much easier. With dedication and hard work, you'll pick it up at a rate that will surprise the hell out of you. It only cost about twenty dollars and some change, but you get MANY years' worth of quality, no B.S. lessons from it -- much more, for much less, than if you paid for weekly lessons. I can't even begin to tell you how much that book has helped me! (If nothing else, at least go to a music store that carries this book and flip through it. You'll see what I mean.) Also, it sounds to me like you're being a bit impatient. Which is good, to an extent. A good amount of impatience can push you to do better than the last time you tried, and speed up your progress. But too much of it, and you get frustrated not only with yourself, but with the guitar and any hopes and expectations you had. Ultimately you hinder yourself (maybe even stop progressing). Just be patient, man. Ear training is hard fucking work! You can't rush it. It helps to remember that your ear will always be improving -- when you learn a new song, riff or solo, when you write something new, when you transpose to another key. You'll constantly be training your ear to recognize pitches and intervals within different keys, and it'll just start to become easier with time and practice, particularly if you follow the suggestions given here thus far. Why in the hell would learning from a book be lame or sad? I think it's a great idea! ESPECIALLY the Stetina series. I have all his books and strongly recommend Fretboard Mastery. THANK YOU! I've been telling people that for quite a while, but most of the guitarists I've played with stick their noses up at the idea of learning from a book, and won't even hear about it. I personally think it neither lame nor sad, but some people ... Any chance I get, when talking to a metal player who'll actually listen, I immediately recommend Troy's books. Punk rock is easy, but I was terrible at metal for the longest time until I discovered his stuff. I actually started with Speed Mechanics and Thrash Method before picking up the basics. (Holy hell, that was tough!) The thing I like best about Troy's methods is, because you're learning from a true rock guitarist, there's never anything generic. No b.s., no pointless repetitions of things you'll never use -- just real music. The man's a genius.
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Post by mattjem7vwh on Jul 15, 2007 5:29:03 GMT -5
Emp learned English from a book! and he's not bad at it!
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Post by Torkin on Jul 15, 2007 9:19:46 GMT -5
And don't forget the greatest book of all times. KAMASUTRA powerdos
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Post by Stefvorcide on Jul 15, 2007 10:19:53 GMT -5
Emp learned English from a book! and he's not bad at it! LMAO. True. *sends a beer to Matt and to torkin *
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Post by schweinhund on Jul 15, 2007 14:01:38 GMT -5
Thx for the help guys. That oral skill thingy made me smile lol . That book sounds appealing to me, jazziiiguy. Schweinhund, any idea where I could pick this book up here in Iceland? I can't be arsed to buy it off the net hehe They won't have it hear. Probably never so I suggest Amazon.com , it's where I baught Troy Stetina's Speed Mechanix. But I know what you're doing wrong about that ear training thing. What it means is take (for example) the beginning (only the first 2 notes) of the Star Wars theme and listen to that interval. It is a perfect 5th. Now when you're suppost to sing a perfect 5th you sing those 2 notes from the beginning of the Star Wars theme. It uses the knowledge you have of famous songs and utilize that knowledge of intervals to remember them.
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Post by Metal Dan on Jul 15, 2007 15:50:18 GMT -5
That helps a lot:
For instance
While a perfect 5th is Star Wars a perfect 4th is the wedding march ("here comes the bride...") Octave is the first two notes of the song "Somewhere Over the Raindow" off Wizard of Oz. Major 6th is the NBC theme song Major 7th kinda sounds like shit...
find your own!
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Post by Torkin on Jul 15, 2007 16:38:51 GMT -5
Hehe. SW is exactly how i learnt to recognize perfect 5th from all other intervals. Too bad I didn't pay any attention to it. NOW for some real oral practice ov doom!!
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Post by Metal Dan on Jul 15, 2007 20:55:11 GMT -5
Do you mean ORAL or AURAL? Either way, you might have some satisfied ladies ;D
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