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Post by endless on Jun 26, 2007 13:34:55 GMT -5
What bands on that list would we be unaware of?
Also there are a bunch of 'emo' and 'emo' influenced bands there: old KSE, Norma Jean, The Devil Wears Prada. You also have to remember that this is IG... think shredding, progressive elements, and technically engaging music in general. There are people into a lot of very different styles here, but I think most are united by their love of the shred. Nothing wrong with different styles, but hardcore is pretty much anti-shred in most cases.
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Post by lazyemperor on Jun 26, 2007 15:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by logansc on Jun 26, 2007 15:19:16 GMT -5
They are hardcore influenced, and my favorite are still the death and black bands, and even if they listen to some emo, it definitely doesn't show in their music. I didn't think IG meant just 80's shred. That stuff is too catchy for me. I break it down with the shred, not with the rythym. Stuff like steve vai, and joe satriani, and stuff like that annoys me. There shouldn't be so much goin on that you can't pick parts out. Maybe you are enough of a music buff to know all those bands, but here in SC very few kids care enough about metal to know 1/8 of these bands, sure everybody knows who Norma Jean, KSE, As I Lay Dying is, but all that stuff is just sorta standard metalcore and chaos metal. I like chaotic death the most, and traditional black metal.
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Post by logansc on Jun 26, 2007 15:23:34 GMT -5
How many bands have that riff? All eighties metal is just boring to me, and the singing is annoying. I like to shred, it makes my skills better. I'll pick up a racerx album to improve my sweeps, but I don't like listening to them.
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Post by Stefvorcide on Jun 26, 2007 16:57:43 GMT -5
LoganSC What are those death & black metal bands btw ??
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Post by jazziiiguy on Jun 26, 2007 17:34:08 GMT -5
I can never really enjoy music with that kind of singing. At least give me someone who can scream in key.
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Post by logansc on Jun 26, 2007 23:30:01 GMT -5
LoganSC What are those death & black metal bands btw ?? My point exactly, you guys only recognize the hardcore bands, I will pick out the death and black from my list. Just for you. I will leave out deathcore/death hybrids, cause that is debated. Aletheian, Antestor, Crimson Moonlight, Crimson Thorn, Dimmu Borgir, Drottnar, Embodyment, Extol, Falkenbach, Frost Like Ashes, Holy Blood, Horde, Immortal Souls, Kekal, Lengsel, Pantokrator, Paramecium, Sacrificium, Shadows of Paragon, Slechtvalk, Vaakevandring, With Blood Comes Cleansing. Are the ones that are straight black and death on my list. But I also consider more brutal bands like See You Next Tuesday and Impending Doom and a lot of others in the death family. They just aren't traditional death metal.
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Post by thenotshredder on Jun 26, 2007 23:48:58 GMT -5
Death family? Death metal is not a family. It's more like an EVIL-my. There.
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Post by entz on Jun 27, 2007 3:51:45 GMT -5
What bands on that list would we be unaware of? Also there are a bunch of 'emo' and 'emo' influenced bands there: old KSE, Norma Jean, The Devil Wears Prada. You also have to remember that this is IG... think shredding, progressive elements, and technically engaging music in general. There are people into a lot of very different styles here, but I think most are united by their love of the shred. Nothing wrong with different styles, but hardcore is pretty much anti-shred in most cases. dude, what are you talking about... did you read my post... where do you see hardcore here? and btw. the first hardcore band was Bad Brains.... bunch of black dudes who were advanced jazz and funk musicians... they can play cricles around most of the stuff wich is called "shred"
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Post by logansc on Jun 27, 2007 9:45:09 GMT -5
What bands on that list would we be unaware of? Also there are a bunch of 'emo' and 'emo' influenced bands there: old KSE, Norma Jean, The Devil Wears Prada. You also have to remember that this is IG... think shredding, progressive elements, and technically engaging music in general. There are people into a lot of very different styles here, but I think most are united by their love of the shred. Nothing wrong with different styles, but hardcore is pretty much anti-shred in most cases. dude, what are you talking about... did you read my post... where do you see hardcore here? and btw. the first hardcore band was Bad Brains.... bunch of black dudes who were advanced jazz and funk musicians... they can play cricles around most of the stuff wich is called "shred" Well people say there is hardcore punk, like you talk about, which is what I think of when people say hardcore, but a lot of the bands I have whith less of a metalcore flair are called hardcore now. They scream the same, but don't have the metalcore complexity.
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Post by entz on Jun 28, 2007 1:00:38 GMT -5
there's no screaming in real hardcore.... I've never heard Henry Rollins scream
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Post by pcsmall on Jun 28, 2007 18:47:14 GMT -5
Here is every band you should all be listening to, and I'm not doing this to show off, only because im bored and am interested in how you will react, and what you think I should add to my list. A call to preserve, Admonish, Aletheian, Alove for enemies, Anam Cara, Antestor, Antidemon, As Cities Burn, As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red, Barnabas, Becoming the Archetype, Believer, Beloved, Beneath the Sky, Blindside, Bloodlined Calligraphy, Circle of Dust, Corrin, Crimson Moonlight, Crimson Thorn, Cry of the Afflicted, Demise of Eros, Demon Hunter, Despised Icon, Destroy the Runner, Dimu Borgir, Drottnar, Embodiment 12:14, Embodyment, Extol, Falkenbach, Few Left Standing, Figure Four, Focused, From a Second Story Window, Frost Like Ashes, Haste the Day, , Holy Blood, Hopes Fall, Horde, impending Doom, Immortal Souls, Inhale Exhale, It Dies Today, Jesus Wept, Kekal, Killswitch Engage (Jesse not howard), Lengsel, Living Sacrifice, Luti-Kris, Maylene & the Sons of Disaster, Mortal Treason, Mortification, No Innocent Victim, Norma Jean, Pantokrator, Nothing Stays Gold, Paramecium, Sacrificium, Seven Seals, Seventh Star, Shadows of Paragon, Shockwave, Sinai Beach, Soul Embraced, Spitfire, Staple, Still Remains, Strongarm, The Miracle of You, The Chariot, The Showdown, The Devil Wears Prada, This Runs Through, Twelve Guage Valentine, Tourniquet, Underoath, Vaakevandring, War of Ages, Within, With Blood Comes Cleansing, xdisciplex AD, xDeathstarx, xlookingforwardx, Your Eyes my Dreams, Zao Whoo! that's about it. Those are some of my favorites. yes I am a fanatic. Deal with it, and that list was copied from a more necessary application. I am not completely insane. Insult me. Compliment me. Recommend new stuff, because that is the purpose of this thread. Post whatever really. I agree with you about Becoming the Archetype and The Showdown, mainly because on BTA's new album Kenis shreds his guitar into next thursday, and Temptation Come My Way has that dos 80's flashback feel. Becoming the Archetype would have to be my favorite band at the moment; War of Ages is good too. but as far as the whole "screaming" thing goes, too many bands are trying too hard to sound like the band that just played before them. It's gotten to the point that now when you put in something where the vocalist can properly use their voice, you're laughed at and told that singing went out the back door in the 80's and 90's. It's gotten too cliche, and has caused METAL bands to be called hardcore just because of a vocal style. here's metal *holds hand high above head* here's hardcore *holds hand way below waist* sorry...it's just a pet-peeve of mine when bands automatically get thrown into one "genre" of music all because of a similar vocal style when the difference between two bands' musical ability is so vastly different from one another. I like the screaming (or whatever you may feel like calling it) when it's death metal as opposed to an As I Lay Dying knock off (who i do like, mainly because their drummer is an animal). DAMN RIAA AND MTV!! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!
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Post by thenotshredder on Jun 28, 2007 20:50:53 GMT -5
Patrilomic just hit the nail right through the damned board. Thanks, man.
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Post by logansc on Jun 28, 2007 22:24:54 GMT -5
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I agree with you about Becoming the Archetype and The Showdown, mainly because on BTA's new album Kenis shreds his guitar into next thursday, and Temptation Come My Way has that dos 80's flashback feel.
Becoming the Archetype would have to be my favorite band at the moment; War of Ages is good too.
but as far as the whole "screaming" thing goes, too many bands are trying too hard to sound like the band that just played before them. It's gotten to the point that now when you put in something where the vocalist can properly use their voice, you're laughed at and told that singing went out the back door in the 80's and 90's. It's gotten too cliche, and has caused METAL bands to be called hardcore just because of a vocal style.
here's metal *holds hand high above head* here's hardcore *holds hand way below waist*
sorry...it's just a pet-peeve of mine when bands automatically get thrown into one "genre" of music all because of a similar vocal style when the difference between two bands' musical ability is so vastly different from one another. I like the screaming (or whatever you may feel like calling it) when it's death metal as opposed to an As I Lay Dying knock off (who i do like, mainly because their drummer is an animal).
DAMN RIAA AND MTV!! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!![/quote]
Na I agree, hardcore shouldn't be hardcore, unless it is really hardcore. Genre grouping is stupid. And a lot of bands do sound very similar, but I only really like the ones that bring a lot more of there own stuff to the party. Bands like As I Lay Dying are very popular bands, and I like some of them, but they are just sort of a standard to compare to what is good and bad, if something is better than As I Lay Dying then it is worth listening too, but not neccessarily great. I like metalcore mostly for the skill in the instruments, but its the bands that cross over into other genres and change things up, that have the whole package.
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Post by endless on Jun 29, 2007 0:34:44 GMT -5
dude, what are you talking about... did you read my post... where do you see hardcore here? and btw. the first hardcore band was Bad Brains.... bunch of black dudes who were advanced jazz and funk musicians... they can play cricles around most of the stuff wich is called "shred" I read your post, hence the ''s. I was refering to the modern(mainstream) use of the term. 99% of metalcore and modern 'hardcore' use the same riffs, structures and harmonies. The solos leave much to be desired as well. The dude from Shadows Fall(a metalcore band no less) recently remarked how all they do is sweep. No taste, no style. Like playing exercises over a chord prosgression. True metal either throws in changes and sounds unique, or just plain rocks, while not caring how 'original' it sounds. A lot of this new stuff just trys way too hard, and it shows...badly. Also 80's metal is technically just 'metal', because it never went away. Its always been huge in Japan, for example.
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